Anonymous said: You said, "You don’t have the right to destroy something you didn’t make, and you did NOT make life." do you think this applies to eating animals and factory farming? Just wondering on your take because I am a vegetarian.
Yes. It applies to animals, and even plant life.
Track what I said. There are two ways to look at ALL life. I’ll summarize them briefly.
The first view: 1) Life is a cosmic accident, a matter of chance; therefore 2) man can do whatever he wants, since there is no real accountability.
The second view: 1) Life was created by a Creator. Life cannot exist without his providence. Therefore, 2) man cannot do whatever he wants with life or creation, but only that which the Creator says is according to his design and plan.
The original question was about suicide. My point was that if you believe in that first view, you would conclude that suicide is fine. If there is no Creator, then if your body is owned by anyone, it is you. Thus, kill it if you want. Who cares? But if you believe in that second view, then you are NOT the master of your own domain, so to speak. Your body is property of the one who created you and gave you purpose. Thus, you don’t have the right to kill yourself.
But you can apply that to other areas. If you hold the first view, I wonder on what basis you say murder is wrong. You can say murder is “mean” perhaps. But if there is no accountability, if there is no absolute truth or point of origin for life, how can you say it’s “wrong”? I killed you and took what is yours. Tough! That’s how nature works! The lion feels no remorse as he rips out the throat of the zebra. I think that’s the logical conclusion of that first view. Life is essentially meaningless, because it’s accidental.
Under that second view, there IS accountability. More than that, there’s purpose. No one creates something for no purpose. A tool is created to make life easier. A medicine is created to bring relief. Art is created to inspire. You don’t create something unless you have an intention. So if there is a Creator, then there is a purpose for life - ALL life. And since we are created, we are morally and ethically bound to fulfill our created purpose.
Now, to your question… What about animals and even plants? They are life! I didn’t create life. Therefore, I don’t have the right to take life UNLESS the Creator tells me that is ok.
I made that point with the death penalty. People say, “How can you be against abortion but for the death penalty?” VERY simple. With the first, God has said it is not allowed. With the second, God has said it is allowed. Why is it allowed in the second case? To demonstrate that if you take a life, which was given by the Creator, the Creator will allow someone to take your life. That is how zealous the Creator is in protecting his creation.
So the question is… Has God allowed us to take the life of plants? Yes. It says in Scripture he has ceded that part of creation over to us to use for food and medicine and building homes and other things. Has God allowed us to take the life of animals? Yes. Never out of cruelty. But for food… or to help mankind with medical advances… God has said that is fine.
That is another aspect of the Creator/created concept. If you don’t believe in it, then all life is equal. If life is an accident, then it is just as pointless when an ant dies as when a man dies. Or, if you want to think of it conversely, it is just as tragic when an ant dies as when a man dies.
But if there is a Creator, then he can order his creation as he wants. And he has. In order of importance, first comes the Creator, who alone is uncreated. Then comes mankind, whom the Creator calls his “crown” or his “body.” Then comes everything else, which the Bible says God created for man’s benefit and enjoyment.
Thus, I can hunt a deer and eat it, because the One who gave that deer life tells me in Scripture that he gave it to me for food. But I can’t kill you and eat you, not just because it’s gross, but because the Creator has said that is not permissible to take your life.
Two world views. Both are matters of faith.
Daniel Davis, sort of like St. Peter, but with nicer abs ;)